Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Crashing OSCON

Unfortunately Dave Rolsky can't make it to OSCON. Coincidentally I'm in the area visiting John Wang, so I'll be standing in for Dave. This means I get all the rock star perks without actually writing any slides ;-)

As a meta note, I'd like to say that open source collaboration really gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Dave has generously picked up the slack of releasing Moose and Class::MOP over the past year, and when Dave couldn't make it to YAPC either, Shawn and Jon gave his tutorial there. Many of the MooseX:: modules are released by whoever patched them last.

I think this is compelling evidence that the Perl community in general and the Moose community in particular are two of the warmest and fuzziest of them all. Clay Shirky gave a short but fascinating talk on this topic:

6 comments:

sri said...

...and the Moose community in particular are two of the warmest and fuzziest of them all.

I have to disagree, #moose was one of the most unfriendly places i've ever come across on the web. Think i even kept chatlogs somewhere because it was that remarkably harsh.

nothingmuch said...

Several others probably have similarly negative experience, but most people who participate in the Moose ecosystem love it.

The way I remember things, you weren't really trying to participate in Moose development. While some of the members of the community are indeed argumentative, I really don't see how that incident is relevant.

(IIRC there was fairly harsh criticism for Mojo's home grown OO system, which while legitimate doesn't have much to do with Moose?)

jrockway said...

sri, you burned your bridges by continually attacking the community. It is not unsurprising that the victims of your attacks would be unhelpful to you. If you changed your nick and layed off the attacks, I'm sure everyone would be nice to you.

When I've seen you on #moose, it has been mostly to pimp your own projects and put down others. ("Who needs Moose and HTTP::Engine when there is Mojo?" While you may or may not be correct, you can't expect much of a positive response, can you?)

sri said...

...sri, you burned your bridges by continually attacking the community. It is not unsurprising that the victims of your attacks would be unhelpful to you.

jrockway is a great example of whats wrong in the moose community, he was spreading FUD about Mojo on #moose (yes he started the whole discussion) and when i stepped in to correct his wrong assumptions, he promptly switched to just swearing at me, which ironically got me banned, even though i stayed defensive the whole time and never acted inappropriate.

What victims and what attacks are you talking about at all? I would really like to see evidence because the only time i remember was a very long time ago, on the Class::DBI mailing list when i mindlessly attacked Schwern, and for which i'm deeply sorry now.

jrockway said...

It's always nice to hear the other side of the story.

nothingmuch said...

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